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PostSubject: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:28 am

This is great. If only.................................



The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: August 9, 2011


Washington (AP) — It was a news conference the likes of which the White House had never seen. President Obama stood in the East Room, flanked by the House speaker, John Boehner; the Senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell; the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid; and the House minority leader, Nancy Pelosi. The president asked Mr. Boehner to speak first:

“My fellow Americans,” the Ohio Republican began. “We have just concluded a meeting with the president, prompted by this moment of extraordinary economic peril. Our party, as you know, is convinced that the main reason for our economic decline is that we have too much debt, that government has grown too big and that taxes and regulations are choking our dynamism. But I have to acknowledge that, over the years, our party has contributed to this debt burden and government spending binge. We are not innocent, and, therefore, we owe the country a strategy for governing and for fixing a problem that we helped to create — instead of just blocking the president. The G.O.P. is better than that and has more to offer the nation. Therefore, we have informed the president that our legislators are ready to reopen negotiations immediately on a ‘Grand Bargain’ to address all these debt issues once and for all and that everything will be on the table from our side — including tax reform that closes loopholes and eliminates wasteful subsidies, and, if need be, tax increases. To those who voted for us, rest assured that we will bring our conservative values to these negotiations and an emphasis on markets and meritocracies, but also a spirit of compromise and a recognition that both sides will have to bend if we are going to get the kind of comprehensive budget agreement the country needs. To my Tea Party colleagues, I say: thank you. Your passion helped spur the nation to action, but the country cannot be governed, and our future secured, by bowing solely to the passions of any single group — liberal or conservative. I know that the Tea Party activists are true patriots and they will work with us as well. President Obama: Let’s fix the country together and then compete in 2012 over who can best manage a growing pie rather than a shrinking one.”

President Obama warmly embraced Mr. Boehner and then took the podium and said:

“Speaker Boehner and Senator McConnell, thank you for your commitment to act in our nation’s highest interests. Let me say publicly what I committed to you privately: I have asked Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson to revive their deficit commission and to use their recommendations for how to cut spending and raise revenues as the starting point for our negotiations. But it will now be called ‘The National Commission for American Renewal.’ Because in addition to the original Bowles-Simpson members, it will include Senator McConnell, Speaker Boehner, Senator Reid and Congresswoman Pelosi, and its goal will indeed be a comprehensive plan for American renewal. Everything will be on the table — spending cuts, tax reform and increases, a framework for restructuring the debts of Americans whose homes are under water and the investments we need to renew the primary sources of our strength — infrastructure, education and scientific research. Each component will be integrated and timed to minimize pain and maximize job creation — and the entire package will be presented to Congress for an up-or-down vote. I am confident that real tax and entitlement reform will unleash billions of dollars in investments.

“But the most important thing that will be on the table will not just be a plan to make our country solvent. It will be a plan to make America great and guarantee that another generation will enjoy the American dream. Any fair-minded person who looks at all the stimulus investments I’ve made in education, clean energy, research and infrastructure can see that this has been my goal from the start. But I know those investments can’t be sustained without a new long-term budget deal. And I, too, have a confession: I’ve done a poor job integrating my nation-building ideas, including health care, into a single vision so people understood where I was going. I also let tactical political considerations — like abandoning the Bowles-Simpson commission — intervene, so Americans lost sight of my priorities. That will not happen again. No one loves this country more than I and my Democratic colleagues. While we will bring our traditional concerns for social justice and equality to these negotiations, we will not quit until a Grand Bargain to ensure American greatness is enacted into law.”

At that point, all five leaders shook hands and retreated into the Oval Office. It was exactly 9:29 a.m. One minute later, the New York Stock Exchange opened. The Dow was up 1,223 points at the open — an all-time record.

What’s sad is how much this is a fantasy and how easily — with just a little political will — it could be a reality.
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:27 pm

I think a more realistic fantasy scenario would go something like this:

The five leaders appear, with President Obama making the first statement. It consisted of a final plaintive plea to put aside partisan differences "for the good of the country." He recounted his earlier statements about how, in order to overcome the challenges facing us now, there must be true "shared sacrifice," especially by those who have benefited so much, and a "balanced approach," which means that any consideration of spending cuts must be accompanied by revenue increases. Mentioning the flood of letters the Congress has received agreeing with him, the President asked the representatives heed the voice of the American people. As he concluded, he once again pleaded with the others to agree with his plan.

Speaker Boehner approached the microphone and admitted that he and his House colleagues had experienced an "small uptick" in mail. "But," he also said, "we believe those communications were only a fraction of the number of people we represent, sent by a small, angry minority motivated primarily by the President's prime-time address. The last election is the true measure of the will of the American people, and we will continue our course."

Senator McConnell, the last to speak, was gleeful in the supplicating demeanor of the President. "I agree with Speaker Boehner that we shouldn't change a thing. And to make sure there is no mistake, I repeat what I said earlier this month: Anything the President feels strongly about looks an awful lot like a hostage-taking opportunity, and we intend to use it to our greatest advantage."

As the leaders slowly filed out of the room, all over the United States, in parking lots in every state, millions of angry citizens were boarding buses to head to Washington, D.C. to, once and for all, let their representatives know face-to-face what their will was. In true populist uprising fashion, plenty of torches and pitchforks were loaded aboard. But also into the luggage compartments, without the need for a word of explanation, there were being stowed stacks and stacks of lengths of coiled rope. Those millions filed aboard their buses to confront their representatives, ready to undertake the grim business ahead, determined to make their will known in no uncertain terms -- again, once and for all.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
~Thomas Jefferson


Meanwhile, a couple of hundred miles to the northeast, the Statue of Liberty brought down her torch, blew out the flame, lowered her head in shame -- and wept.

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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:22 pm

As expected Prop, your version makes the reps out to be the bad guys.
The first version shows what could happen if all people involved tried to do the right thing, not the political thing.
But as your version showed, there can't be any change if one side is always right and the other is always wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:31 am

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!

@PROPS.......biased much?
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:30 am

Prop is a confirmed union socialist. Evil or Very Mad

But he's a good grandpa................... Giggle
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PostSubject: Mitch McConnell, hostage taker   Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:27 pm

August 03, 2011 1:50 PM


This quote from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has been making the rounds today, and with good reason. It’s interesting from a variety of angles.


“I think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage you might take a chance at shooting,” he said. “Most of us didn’t think that. What we did learn is this — it’s a hostage that’s worth ransoming. And it focuses the Congress on something that must be done.”

Let’s unpack this a bit.

First, after this brutal fiasco undermined the economy and made the United States an international laughingstock, the leading Senate Republican fully expects to do this again. McConnell believes his party has “learned” the value in pursuing this, regardless of the consequences. I wonder if voters might want to consider this before the 2012 elections.

Second, it’s a little surprising to hear him concede that “most” Republicans didn’t think the hostage should be shot. If that’s true, maybe next time, Democrats shouldn’t pay the ransom?

And third, note that McConnell was quite candid in his choice of words. It’s not just Democrats talking about Republicans taking “hostages” and demanding “ransoms”; here’s the leading Senate Republican using the exact same language. In other words, Mitch McConnell admitted, out loud and on the record, that his party took the full faith and credit of the United States hostage, demanded a ransom, and they fully intend to do it again.

Given all of this, it’s rather bizarre for Republicans to complain about being equated with terrorists. As Dave Weigel noted yesterday, “If you don’t want your opponent to label you a hostage-taker, here’s an idea: Don’t take hostages.”

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/mitch_mcconnell_hostage_taker031287.php



S&P downgraded America’s debt because the Republicans have made the process of governing so dysfunctional that Washington can no longer be trusted to agree to make even the most basic decisions.

If Republicans would have passed a clean debt ceiling extension, the downgrade would have never happened. The GOP’s political recipe for bringing Obama down of one part chaos and one part obstruction was never going to allow that to happen. Many Republicans wanted the debt downgrade because it plays into their political strategy for 2012.

Whether or not S&P’s numbers are off, and with Standard and Poor’s track record they very well could be, the political point can’t be ignored. S&P downgraded our debt because our political leaders can’t agree on anything. Standard and Poor’s said that the US still can pay its debt, but the Republicans in Washington can’t be trusted to allow the government to function.

It is a lose-lose situation that has no hope of improving unless the voters wake up and remove the Republicans from the House majority in 2012. Until then the American people are going to force fed a buffet of embarrassment, humiliation, and failure prepared by the master chefs of economic destruction in the Republican Party.

Eat up America. This is government that you voted for in 2010.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/s-and-p-downgrade



"I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/174925-boehner-i-got-98-percent-of-what-i-wanted-in-debt-deal

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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:38 pm

A cherry pickin' we will go....a cherry pickin we will go........new flash..........it's both parties

"The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as
America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective,
and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt
ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in
the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our
view, the differences between political parties have proven to be
extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting
agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program
that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and
Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on
discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on
more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have
dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions
only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements,
the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key
to long-term fiscal sustainability."


read it all here http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/articles/en/us/?assetID=1245316529563
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:12 am

What FOURTEEN TRILLION PLUS looks like...

$ 14,626,336,500,800 as of 6:05am.

Interesting look...http://www.usdebtclock.org/#
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:29 am

True. It's hard to lay the blame at one side's or person's feet when we're in this large of a mess. It's clear it was a joint effort by.....searching for a clean word & can't find one.....you know.
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:50 am

Low life backstabbing money grubbing narcissistic political buffoons?

Until every one--EVERY ONE PROP--works together, nothing will change.

I saw a CEO of a company last week state that every day she had to face new problems. Every day she had to deal with things that happened before.
She said if she spent all her time complaining about it 'wasn't her fault' nothing would get done. When a company goes down, they change CEO's. The new one has one job. Fix it. Blaming past CEO's only shows the new one doesn't have a clue how to fix it. If the new guy doesn't turn things around in a short time, he goes too.

And, if what you have tried ain't working, stop doing it.
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:45 am

lmm wrote:
Low life backstabbing money grubbing narcissistic political buffoons?

That works quite nicely, yes. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:44 pm

lmm wrote:
Until every one--EVERY ONE PROP--works together, nothing will change.

I saw a CEO of a company last week state that every day she had to face new problems. Every day she had to deal with things that happened before.
She said if she spent all her time complaining about it 'wasn't her fault' nothing would get done. When a company goes down, they change CEO's. The new one has one job. Fix it. Blaming past CEO's only shows the new one doesn't have a clue how to fix it. If the new guy doesn't turn things around in a short time, he goes too.

And, if what you have tried ain't working, stop doing it.




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for small business job creators should do it. Really, I promise."
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:19 pm

Well Prop, Obama got his health care overhaul, he got Frankd-Dodd, he got two stimuli, he got cash for clunkers, he got bailouts for big business, he got DADT repealed, he got green money, he got a keynesian style of economics, he got to travel the world on my money and he got to kiss butt along the way.


I don't think any republican is holding him back.

He had two years of super majorities in the house and senate, he wasted it on health care that nobody read. He wasted all that time being a douchebag when he could have actually done something productive.

He's not superman with a cape, he's Robin the boy blunder in tights.
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:23 pm

It's ok LMM...don't sugar coat it. Tell how you really feel about him. Giggle Giggle
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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:46 pm

Razz Too much????


I am SO SICK OF HEARING 'IT'S BUSH'S FAULT'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grow a pair Mr President and take responsibility like the rest of us do.

Prop, the guy is a failure and if he was a republican you would admit it. All he knows how to do is yell and preach and make promises he never keeps. This newest jobs bill is paid for by promises from 10 years into the future. Or by the 500 billion they raised the debt ceiling last week when nobody was looking. Good slight of hand. Another half trillion to debt. Let's wait for that next DOWNGRADE!

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PostSubject: Re: The Day Our Leaders Got Unstuck   Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:52 am

lmm wrote:
Razz Too much????


Not from where I'm sitting................
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