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PostSubject: Ryan Budget plan   Tue May 24, 2011 1:03 pm

I'm having to spend alot of time debunking things you people say I said and I didn't say Razz . I never said the Republican party was crap, I told you I used to be a Republican, and I never said the Democratic party was a savior. There was a historical reference to President Roosevelt's program's bringing electricity to the Tennessee Valley, which I do place great significance in pulling this area out of poverty and bringing industry and jobs to the valley. Everyone should be thankful for that. That happened in the mid 30's by the way.

I will say this, a lot of you have vivid imaginations and interpret general statements with great creativity lol.

I would be glad to discuss and give my opinions on the budget debate, if that's what you (everyone) want to discuss. Let's start out with a poll of sort.

Who is for the Ryan plan to do away with the current Medicare program and replace it with vouchers to buy insurance from private insurance companies?

I'm more interested in a yes or no, not some program you would like to see that doesn't exist if possible. Also it is a given that there must be changes to the current system so that's not the argument.
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:47 am

First I actually got it to split right. Yahoo!!!!!


Second, Medicare has serious problems. The Ryan plan at least deals with it.. Competition always works best for any program. A news story this morning stated that doctors are not going into GP because of the low pay and with even more using Medicare and Medicaid, there is even less incentive.

Ryan at least is touching the third rail, the flip side wants to just ignore the problem.

Oh, sorry, YES!
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:12 pm

Ryan's plan as explained by Ryan.

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/#Intro
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:05 pm

The problem is not with Medicare, the problem is with the cost of healthcare that Medicare pays for. The Ryan plan is a good sound bite for conservatives that don't realize what the problem actually is or would have no idea how to fix it. The congressional budget office has in its analysis of the plan said a significant number of seniors will not be able to buy health insurance at a point with the vouchers. I'm providing my health care myself through health insurance, and I can tell you it goes up every year and covers less each year with higher deductibles, you don't want to throw seniors to the mercy of insurance companies as this plan does. You sure don't want 80 year old people with dementia and god knows what else having to make choices about their healthcare with confusing choices by the insurance companies. The real "death panel" is this Ryan plan.

The solution to the health care cost problem and Medicare is to force down the costs of constantly newer and costlier high tech procedures, drug costs, and profits to insurance companies. Actually the solution would be a one payer system, a national health care that through its clout could lower costs. We already have socialized "oh theres that scarey word" health care system for seniors and military people. There would actually be costs savings in abollishing the Veterans Adminstration and rolling it into a national healthcare program. Of course that won't happen because you have insurance companies brainwashing conservative voters who most only graduated high school thinking "socialism" is bad and its the evil government.

The only way to solve healthcare is for companies to stop providing health care for its employees and make everyone buy their own health insurance, and then people would realize what the cost of their healthcare actually is. Right now most people have their head stuck in the sand and say "cut the old people's healthcare". Not a very christian attitude in this country about health care.

Look it up, we spend more per capita than any other country in the world and we are like in the high 20's or low 30's percent in quality of healthcare. All the so called "socialist" healthcare systems in Europe have higher quality care at a much lower cost. The only people our health care system is good for in the long run is insurance companies and the rich.
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:58 pm

There you go insulting conservatives again. Only graduated high school. LOL. You really are a dem, you just don't know it.

I watch the health channel a lot. They had a story on a particular type of dwarfism. The story involved a case in London. For their child to be treated, she had to have a specific diagnosis. To get that, all she needed was ONE MRI!
First, her clinic doctor had to refer her to a specialist. They don't have 'family' doctors.
Second, she had to get to the specialist, that took 6 months. Then the specialist had to order one. That took 3 months. After more than 9 MONTHS they determined which type she had and could finally get approved for treatment. They also found out she had about 2 years to live. How much longer would she have been given if it not taken so long to start treatment?

Sweden is always put up as the supreme one payer system. The government runs everything. The Swedes pay about 45% in taxes to provide for all their 'free' stuff. They also don't have big cars or big houses or big anything. It's more or less cookie cutter molds. I don't care for that idea.

If no one does anything, both SS and Medicare are going to go under. No doubt about that. Pelosi can make all the claims she wants to, she so rich she doesn't need any.
Competition between companies is the ONLY thing to keep costs down. The reason Alabama sucks so bad is the only provider here is BCBS. Let another company come in and those blood suckers will start lowering rates.

The CBO also said Obamacare would cause rates to go up.
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:29 pm

It wasn't an insult, you are apparently sensitive. The point was that the big herd of conservative noise is usually by people who don't really have alot of education about an issue. That happens on both sides of the spectrum, but studies have shown, there's alot of them that show the more conservative a person is usually the less education they have. I was talking about the conservative view of trusting insurance companies to solve a healthcare cost problem. We'd have to get the statistics on high school grads and college grads and go from there if you think that is error, but you seem to be taking that one personally so I appologize if you feel personally offended.

Yeah people always bring up some obscure incident about somebody with 3 arms in England that had to wait a month to get the third arm removed. But there is a guarantee that person will see a doctor and not go broke paying the medical bills like happens here and won't be found dead with the third arm stuck in a mattress spring because he had to live with it. And you know what they don't pay as much for healthcare even getting it paid for with no cost as we do. That's why we don't have national healthcare because people fixate on these extreme examples the insurance companies pay to keep you scared and mad at the government.

And there we have the Pelosi thrown in lol. Of course something has to be done about it, but you're not getting it. It's not Medicare that's the problem, it's the cost of the healthcare that Medicare pays for. Social Security is fine with some tweaking. They really scared you good Smile.

And what about Obamacare will go up? The health care costs cause everything related to healthcare to go up, but the "Obamacare" as you people call it actually have provisions to lower the rate of the rise of healthcare. I'm guessing that most people against Obamacare only know one thing about Obamacare, they call it Obamacare. It also prohibits Insurance companies from dropping your insurance when you're sick, which happened alot before Obamacare.
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:17 pm

Wow....there you go again throwing out blanket insults and when you are called on it, accuse the respondent of being sensitive. Lawyers call that attacking the victim.......

For the record:

Have you ever taken the time to talk to any doctors and get their take on the heathcare plan? Insurance companies?

Asked for their input on the root cause of the increase of healthcare? Ever looked at malpractice premiums?

Take a minute and think about this: A typical malpractice suit against a doctor. Jury finds for the complaniant. Awards damages of $1,000,000.00. Attorney takes as his fee $330,000.00 to $500,000.00. So the actual "award to the complaniant is $500,000.00 to $670,000.00. So the attorney pockets 1/3 to 1/2 of the "award" for what...... 6 months to a years worth of work. Not a bad racket. But we are going to set here and "burn in effigy" the big bad insurance company that might be making a return on their investment.

Competition is good. Options are good. Your way-no competion, no options. A free market works. Insurance companies want lower costs, can we agree on that? Okay then. Now, when an insurance company's profits get out of line with the end cost to the consumer we have the option to switch providers. Of course your argument would be that high risk patients are subject to high cost or termination of service. Balderdash....contact the office of the insurance commissioner of the State of Alabama and see how closely regulated insurance companies are.

For the record....Nothing against attorneys. They are necessary to a point. But sit around and listen sometime, most are looking for that big score and at the rate that attorneys are being churned out it's going to get worse.

So keep on buying into the promotions that the trial lawyers are putting out.....and oh btw what's their party of choice? hmmmmm.......

Again for the record. I'm not buying into the propaganda of either side. When industry leaders are brought in and given a real voice instead of lawyers, college professors and politicians then I'll see if I can't form an opinion.

I'm not even going to dignify your comments on the education level of conservatives with a response. And again for the record. I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Rectify that in your little world.

But please, don't take the time to "debunk what I thought you said" or lay "being sensitive" at my door. I already know I'm sensitive to the ramblings of a narrow minded, arrogant jerk. Off to ignore land you go.........................

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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:34 pm

It would appear my initial assessment was correct.


Nice response Ubu.
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:50 pm

EG,
That was not the only case. That is how the system works there. Why do you think that you can go into a pharmacy and the pharmacist prescribes you your medicine? Depressed, he'll give you Zoloft. Have a fever, antibiotic. Doctors take too long to see. You are being blinded by the hype yourself. Go look into the Guardian Paper online and read some of the comments on any health article. The people hate the system.

I'll say this, in a one payer system, the solution really is to die fast.
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:15 pm

I don't have a lot of education. I did manage to graduate High school and get a job to feed myself and my mother. I am just one of those poor ignorant bastards that keeps on pluggin cause he doesn't know any better. I worked like a dog until my body gave out then I starved for a year while I was giving my home to the bankruptcy court. I haven't been able to afford insurance or a doctor visit for over 6 years. I am in need of hernia surgery for the eighth time and have needed it for about 9 years. Even with insurance I couldn't afford medical care. I will not qualify for medicare or medicaid until may 2012.

The last thing I want or need is some arrogant (put your own word here cause I don't want to get kicked out of here) telling me that I'm too stupid to manage my affairs. I don't want your sympathy and I do not appreciate your insults. You can yell all you want to that you didn't intend to be insulting, but Ignorant or not, I know an insult when I hear it.

You would do well to keep your insults here in the anonymous forums and not voice them in person. One of us stupid hillbillies might give you a lesson in manners. If I have offended you good...that was my intent......if I get banned.... bye.
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:27 am

I would put yours and Lmm's reading lists and critical reasoning skills up against any college grad in the last ten years.....A college degree does NOT equate to "educated" .

All of that rrammbling has me in the mood for a song. Join with me now:

"Trolling, Trolling Trolling, get them doggies trolling.....head em up, move em out, .....RAWHIDE"
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:06 am

Hey! Are you insulting me UBU??? I have a college degree thank you!!!!! Shotgun
(Of course, it has been over 30 years ago and my memory is failing and I've got this thing growing on my...............oops, I digress)Razz Razz Razz Razz

Seriously, blue, you are a wonderful person and the school of hard knocks can teach more than any book.

Everyone take a chill pill, get a beer, some chips, and sit in front of an ac. Kitty

And EG, you might want to reconsider your approach when making general statements. Giggle

Now, no rawhide here. There are ladies present. And me! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:23 am

It's interesting how people read something into your postings. That's why it's better to talk issues in person. How for instance did you Ubu, assume I was for unfettered law suits, although it was never mentioned. The cost of malpractice lawsuits has to be addressed as well, as many other issues. I have said many times that the answer to healthcare costs is not solved by far right or far left rhetoric. To assume anyone is for the far left position because they are not for the far right position is impractical in a discussion.

As far as a free market and competition, that is not happening in the current healthcare market. Insurance is a monopoly because of state regulations and there is usually only one major provider and one secondary provider in the market comprising a small percent. If you are selling apples I'm all for free a market as you can practically have. But when it comes to your mother's or your son's or daughter's healthcare and life I'm not for depending on the marketing and profit decisions of a for profit insurance company.

Take drug companies for instance and their research and development. When is the last time a major disease was cured. Polio in the 60's? It is not to the interest of drug and pharmaceutical companies to cure you of anything. It is to their business plan's interest to keep you taking drugs to alleviate pain or symptoms from a disease. That for instance is why the government has to spend money in public research institutions just to address one point.

Now back to the education "insult" you all seem to be willing to wear like a cloak. It is not an insult to discuss the level of education in explaining the way decisions are made in our political system. My point was the American people aren't all PHD's or even college graduates, most are high school graduates. There are many life wise people with various levels of education. The way politics works, is some interest spends lots of money to convince a large herd of people to think the way they want them to think, like in this discussion the term "competition is good". Their strategy depends on these giant herds of people to think yeah "competition is good", but they don't want you to realize the scales of competition are weighted in their interest and not in yours. The truth is the less education a person has the more likely they are to just accept these slogans and be for the interest of let's say a corporation over your own interest. I for instance know quite a bit more than the average person that graduated the 5th grade. I had to quit school in the 5th grade because my daddy was in the 6th and I didn't want to pass to the same grade he was in. But I have intellectual curiousity and I seem to know that my interest and a for profit corporation's interest are not the same. That's why a totally free market in a world where everyone is not honest is not necessarily a good thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:47 am

Even us idiots realize that a corporations interests are not in our best interest. They are in business to make a profit. At our expense.
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:57 am

Your explanation would hold water if in this sentence you had not said 'conservative voters'.
Of course that won't happen because you have insurance companies brainwashing conservative voters who most only graduated high school thinking "socialism" is bad and its the evil government.
I agree that voters are swayed by hype and that goes for both sides. If you are trying to say that the ones in the middle on both sides are the smart ones, then use the term 'moderates'.
back to the topic.
So you believe that the drug companies purposely don't try to find cures so the public has to rely on expensive drugs?
How about all the easy ones are already taken? If a vaccine can be made to prevent a disease, that is easy. If a genetic mutation causes a disease, that is tough.

If competition was a bad idea, why are there so many car insurance companies? Do you want one size fits all for cars?
A one payer health system would be that. Every one would be entitled to the 'liability' insurance. Just enough to maybe keep you alive, but not comfortably or happily. And Obama care will have decisions made by bureaucrats on what is and is not necessary Now insurance companies have the same thing called 'usual and customary' charges but if a doctor wants to buck it, he can..If the government is running it, there will be no appeals.
Tort reform is absolutely necessary as part of the solution. Check out Texas after they started that. They are overflowing with doctors.

And back to the UK. Most people pay for private insurance on top of the government one provided if they can afford it. They know that paying for care directly leads to better care. You can check that one too.

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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:42 am

I thought I had answered this, but I must have said something about it on another thread.

I hate the Ryan plan, because according to the video I watched on it (by a Republican if I remember correctly, I'll try to locate it), it puts much more of the cost burden on the elderly recipient. Do we realize how difficult this would be for the elderly? They're not exactly first pick for employers. Yes, we have more elderly now than ever. Tough. They paid their dues just like all those before them and should receive the same benefits as those who came before them. If you want to cut something, there are plenty of other areas to cut. How about some of those scientific studies we fund that appear to have been dreamed up by half-brained monkeys?

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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:04 am

Can't find the video I watched...oh well, it's not like the burden of cost being shifted to the elderly is a secret. So on with the show...haha.
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:08 am

Again lmm your talent seems to be taking an alarmist conspiracy attitude toward my coimments lol. I said it is in the drug companies best interest from a profit standpoint not to cure diseases. The purpose of the drug company is to develop and sell products that get the most return for their investment and to the stockhplder. The practical theory would be a customer pays 150.00 for a drug that would cure something versus a customer paying 5000.00 over 5 years to alleviate the symptoms of some disease. If you were sitting in a board room with the sole purpose of providing a return to the shareholder which would you choose?

I didn't say competition was a bad idea. Read what is written and not extrapolate with prejudice.

Most people in the UK do not have private insurance. Only about 9 to 10 % in 2000. And the ones that do, I'm sure it doesn't cost 600.00 a month. I thought you were the one that didn't like general statements, especially ones that aren't true and misleading.

Instead of trying to defend insurance companies, drug companies, and private medical concerns, maybe you should look at how they are ruining this country. Healthcare cost is rising far in excess of the average cost of living. As I said until people have to buy their own health insurance and companies stop providing it, the mass of people will not see the real problem and do something about it.

Car insurance is a real good example to use for how competition improves your life. Have you looked at the percent of your income that car insurance takes up?

But go ahead and continue to defend the good hearted corporation over your own interest. If nothing else it is entertaining.



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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:41 pm

Where did I defend the good hearted corporations? I said it's not easy to find cures for things now. Of course corporations want to make a profit, if they didn't they would not be in business. Also that would hurt my 401K..........And you are right, most don't buy private insurance in the UK because they are restricted from what they can cover. So, yep, I blew that one. I'm sure we can agree with their price tag,(est. £104 billion in 2007-08) about $150 billion is US dollars per year.
So you're right. We need a one payer system. And it can be paid for with a VAT tax like they have.
My car insurance takes up about 3% of my yearly income. Not to bad I think.
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Main article: National Health Service

The UK's National Health Service (NHS) is a publicly funded healthcare system that provides coverage to everyone normally resident in the UK. It is not strictly an insurance system because (a) there are no premiums collected, (b) costs are not charged at the patient level and (c) costs are not pre-paid from a pool. However, it does achieve the main aim of insurance which is to spread financial risk arising from ill-health. The costs of running the NHS (est. £104 billion in 2007-08)[30] are met directly from general taxation. The NHS provides the majority of health care in the UK, including primary care, in-patient care, long-term health care, ophthalmology, and dentistry.

Private health care has continued parallel to the NHS, paid for largely by private insurance, but it is used by less than 8% of the population, and generally as a top-up to NHS services. There are many treatments that the private sector does not provide. For example, health insurance on pregnancy is generally not covered or covered with restricting clauses.[31][unreliable source?] Typical exclusions for Bupa schemes (and many other insurers) include:

ageing, menopause and puberty; AIDS/HIV; allergies or allergic disorders; birth control, conception, sexual problems and sex changes; chronic conditions; complications from excluded or restricted conditions/ treatment; convalescence, rehabilitation and general nursing care ; cosmetic, reconstructive or weight loss treatment; deafness; dental/oral treatment (such as fillings, gum disease, jaw shrinkage, etc); dialysis; drugs and dressings for out-patient or take-home use† ; experimental drugs and treatment; eyesight; HRT and bone densitometry; learning difficulties, behavioural and developmental problems; overseas treatment and repatriation; physical aids and devices; pre-existing or special conditions; pregnancy and childbirth; screening and preventive treatment; sleep problems and disorders; speech disorders; temporary relief of symptoms.[32] († = except in exceptional circumstances)

There are a number of other companies in the United Kingdom which include, among others, AXA,[33] Aviva, Groupama Healthcare, WPA and PruHealth. Similar exclusions apply, depending on the policy which is purchased.


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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:58 pm

Here's a good breakdown of Ryan's idea.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2011/April/05/cbo-analysis-ryan-budget-proposal.aspx


CBO Outlines 'Key Features' Of Ryan Budget Proposal: 'Substantial' Changes To Medicare, Medicaid


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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:44 pm

Ubu wrote:
Wow....there you go again throwing out blanket insults and when you are called on it, accuse the respondent of being sensitive. Lawyers call that attacking the victim.......

For the record:

Have you ever taken the time to talk to any doctors and get their take on the heathcare plan? Insurance companies?

Asked for their input on the root cause of the increase of healthcare? Ever looked at malpractice premiums?

Take a minute and think about this: A typical malpractice suit against a doctor. Jury finds for the complaniant. Awards damages of $1,000,000.00. Attorney takes as his fee $330,000.00 to $500,000.00. So the actual "award to the complaniant is $500,000.00 to $670,000.00. So the attorney pockets 1/3 to 1/2 of the "award" for what...... 6 months to a years worth of work. Not a bad racket. But we are going to set here and "burn in effigy" the big bad insurance company that might be making a return on their investment.

Competition is good. Options are good. Your way-no competion, no options. A free market works. Insurance companies want lower costs, can we agree on that? Okay then. Now, when an insurance company's profits get out of line with the end cost to the consumer we have the option to switch providers. Of course your argument would be that high risk patients are subject to high cost or termination of service. Balderdash....contact the office of the insurance commissioner of the State of Alabama and see how closely regulated insurance companies are.

For the record....Nothing against attorneys. They are necessary to a point. But sit around and listen sometime, most are looking for that big score and at the rate that attorneys are being churned out it's going to get worse.

So keep on buying into the promotions that the trial lawyers are putting out.....and oh btw what's their party of choice? hmmmmm.......

Again for the record. I'm not buying into the propaganda of either side. When industry leaders are brought in and given a real voice instead of lawyers, college professors and politicians then I'll see if I can't form an opinion.

I'm not even going to dignify your comments on the education level of conservatives with a response. And again for the record. I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Rectify that in your little world.

But please, don't take the time to "debunk what I thought you said" or lay "being sensitive" at my door. I already know I'm sensitive to the ramblings of a narrow minded, arrogant jerk. Off to ignore land you go.........................


Not all that $330,000.00 to $500,000.00 goes directly into the lawyer's pocket. There are many expenses associated with bringing a suit. One expert witness can charge as much as $10,000 to agree to be a fully-cooperative witness, plus their expenses for travel, lodging, food, etc. With depositions, you pay for the legal stenographer, which may run several hundred dollars per day. Private investigators. Records searches. If you subpoena medical records, they can take days to go through and may require a specialist to translate the medical jargon. On a contingency case, the lawyer pays for all that. I am acquainted with a partnership of three lawyers here in town. Every year they go to the bank and borrow $20 million just to pay for such expense. No fees go into their pocket until that $20 million gets paid back.

For medical malpractice costs, doctors blame the insurance companies and insurance companies blame lawsuits -- and doctors believe them. That is why both doctors and insurance companies support tort reform with award caps limited by law. But that appears not to be the case.

The CBO estimated that malpractice premiums and awards to patients represent less than 2% of overall health-care spending. The CBO also concluded that any reductions in medical overtreatment from tort reform would be negligible. "So-called defensive medicine may be motivated less by liability concerns than by the income it generates for physicians," the government economists concluded. Whether tort reform is fair to patients is another point of contention. The Institute of Medicine, an independent adviser to the government, estimates that as many as 100,000 Americans die yearly from medical mistakes. But only about 4% of injured patients or their families sue, according to a Harvard study. And only 1 in 5 lawsuits awards the patient. "The amazing thing is that more patients don't sue," says Paul H. Keckley, director of Deloitte's Center for Health Solutions.
The Truth About Malpractice Lawsuits
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_39/b4148030880703.htm

We saw during the health care debate when lawmakers who received large campaign contributions from insurance companies took the public option off the table. Insurance companies love the individual mandate, which would give them 30 to 45 new customers mandated by law, but fought tooth-and-nail against the public option, which would give them true competition. Who’s to say tort reform wouldn’t turn out the same way: that there would be caps on awards paid to victims of medical malpractice, mandated by law, but there would be no caps on premiums insurance companies would charge doctors in light of the tort reform reduction in awards? If it didn't, all that would do is prevent a victim from being fully compensated for his injuries, while insurance companies would keep premiums high just because there is nothing to prevent them from charging those rates.

Competition would bring rates down? Ask yourself: Why does BCBS get most of the business in Alabama? If one wanted to think bad about the motives of insurance companies, one could get the idea they are all in cahoots, dividing up the territory like the Mafia did in New York City back in the 1920s. But comparing legitimate businesses like insurance companies to the Mafia would be going too far, wouldn’t it?

Wouldn’t it?


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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:20 pm

All right!!!!!! We have a true and bona fide poster.

Please allow me to extend a most hearty welcome!!!!!!! Looking forward to your posts!

LOL, Props.....that was a troll that we were outing there.....I think the day that was posted was the day that ALFA released information that they were not going to reinsure about 50% of their policy holders and The Tennessee Legislature capped malpractice suits. Too bad our troll wasn't aware of it. It would have made a great rebuttal...........and anyone who has any working knowledge of the legal system knows that a $330,000.00 fee would only put about $50-75K in the attorney's pocket at the end of the day, if they were that lucky...........yeah....I was being a bad, bad boy that day......

But, to answer your question..........."Not at all"......I think we all know that we really don't have any competition.......what "competition" we do have is in name only...........

Quickly, with respect to tort reform. Everyone remembers the Pinto case, right.........So, if we put caps on lawsuits what monetary amount is your life going to be worth to a corporation...........????
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:33 pm

Ubu, EG wasn't who you think. His email address was legit and his IP checked out. He just never came back after saying his goodbyes. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:51 pm

Ubu wrote:
All right!!!!!! We have a true and bona fide poster.

Please allow me to extend a most hearty welcome!!!!!!! Looking forward to your posts!

LOL, Props.....that was a troll that we were outing there.....I think the day that was posted was the day that ALFA released information that they were not going to reinsure about 50% of their policy holders and The Tennessee Legislature capped malpractice suits. Too bad our troll wasn't aware of it. It would have made a great rebuttal...........and anyone who has any working knowledge of the legal system knows that a $330,000.00 fee would only put about $50-75K in the attorney's pocket at the end of the day, if they were that lucky...........yeah....I was being a bad, bad boy that day......

But, to answer your question..........."Not at all"......I think we all know that we really don't have any competition.......what "competition" we do have is in name only...........

Quickly, with respect to tort reform. Everyone remembers the Pinto case, right.........So, if we put caps on lawsuits what monetary amount is your life going to be worth to a corporation...........????

With the Ford Pinto case, three teenagers died because Ford did not make a design change which would cost an additional $11 per vehicle. In that particular instance, a life wasn't worth $3.67. Of course, that figure will vary, depending on number of deaths per vehicle.

Here is an analysis of the case:
http://www.wfu.edu/~palmitar/Law&Valuation/Papers/1999/Leggett-pinto.html

Thank you for your kind welcome to the forum. I always strive to provide quality content for thinking people. Glad to be aboard!
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PostSubject: Re: Ryan Budget plan   Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:29 pm

No Joy.....I just felt he was a troll of a different sort....... Very Happy

Here's the key to the Pinto case:

"the cost would have been $137 million versus the $49.5 million price tag put on the deaths, injuries, and car damages, and thus Ford felt justified not implementing the design change"

So how much is your husband, wife, son or daughter worth to you?

Wait don't answer that LMM! Giggle
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